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Carlos's avatar

I think the red pill can't be reconciled with society, it is a genuinely anti-social belief system. The smoking gun there is the fate of the pickup community: there used to be one, where guys supported each other in their quest to master seduction, but it all fell apart and left no legacy. This does not happen to pro-social projects.

As for guys that get drawn to rp, the counter is that they need to find what they value in life that is above the approval of women. Really the gist of Mark Manson's Models, that's a guy who got fed up with pick-up.

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I think part of what makes the Red Pill thing such a persistent social issue is that nobody can really agree how we're supposed to snap these guys out of it and back into some less antisocial frame of mind. A lot of people seem to think that simply scolding guys that have fallen into this sort of self-pitying misanthropy will somehow bounce them back out of it, but that strikes me as a pretty unexamined perspective. "Just get laid, idiot, lol" is equally unhelpful. Real heads will remember the time it was suggested that people should go fuck incels pro bono as a form of mutual aid (peak Twitter discourse, that).

The difficult thing is that these guys are ultimately individuals. They don't all have the same reasons for behaving this way. It stands to reason that there is no one size fits all way of pivoting them to a healthier perspective.

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