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Carlos's avatar

I think the red pill can't be reconciled with society, it is a genuinely anti-social belief system. The smoking gun there is the fate of the pickup community: there used to be one, where guys supported each other in their quest to master seduction, but it all fell apart and left no legacy. This does not happen to pro-social projects.

As for guys that get drawn to rp, the counter is that they need to find what they value in life that is above the approval of women. Really the gist of Mark Manson's Models, that's a guy who got fed up with pick-up.

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It feels like your entire objection to the manosphere is, "Yeah, you're right, but you should like women and probably shouldn't complain." I think I need to hear your vision. Because this sounds like trying to adopt the aesthetic of transcending an idea without doing any of the ideation to actually accomplish that.

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